Meeting 2017 01 21

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1 Board of Directors Meeting -- January 21st, 2017

Board of Directors Meeting -- January 21st, 2017

Attending

Andrew Maitland (Chair & Content SB)
Tom Parker (Arch SB)
Paul Grosse (PR SB)
Stefan Radermacher (OS 2nd)
David Bender (Observer)

Summary

6.07.01 Released
Andrew reports several volunteers have come forward, and hopes they'll stick around to contribute some big things. Even have a 5e output sheet volunteer!
PR reports issues with pcgen.sh file for the Linux users (End of Line problem with the file being handled on Windows) & Java Load Errors.
Stefan reports issues with a unit test completely failing on Mac devices
Tom says he will not blog anything until he finishes implementing the fixes to the formula system.
Andrew has moved Publisher updates to the Wiki which features each game system, publisher and the titles released under those publishers
Andrew also created a wiki page documenting the new Formula System Related tags
Devs will discuss opening up Gatekeeper changes to allow for a balance between speed and proper reviews. Prompted by the backlog of PRs pending reviews.

Raw Log

6:16 AM <[Chair]Andrew> Welcome everyone to the first meeting of 2017 - It is January 21st.
6:16 AM <[Chair]Andrew> For the Agenda I have:
6:16 AM <[Chair]Andrew> Team Reports + Project Statuses
6:17 AM <[Chair]Andrew> Open Discussions
6:17 AM <[Chair]Andrew> Fairly simple today, I'll start it off for the Content team.
6:17 AM <[Chair]Andrew> Content had over 120+ Bugs and Features addressed for the recent 6.07.01 Release
6:18 AM <[Chair]Andrew> Andrew has been working on and off with Tom debugging the new formula system in different branches behind the scenes
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6:19 AM <[Chair]Andrew> We have been approached by several people expressing interest in volunteering, one such was a completely different project entirely. Silverbacks have been included in those communications
6:20 AM <[Chair]Andrew> My most recent is interested in working on the 5e Preview sheets and Outputsheets. Hoping those bear some fruit. :)
6:21 AM <[Chair]Andrew> For the docs - I've placed all the new Formula System related tags on the wiki for easier reference
6:21 AM <[Chair]Andrew> Any questions before we move to PR and then Arch?
6:21 AM <Tom[Arch_SB]> not from me
6:21 AM <@Zaister> no
6:22 AM <[OGL]Nylanfs> nONE FROM ME
6:22 AM <[Chair]Andrew> Okay Paul - Anything to report for PR?
6:23 AM <[OGL]Nylanfs> Nothing much, found where to get GitHub stats
6:23 AM <[OGL]Nylanfs> Send the 6.07.01 press releases
6:23 AM <[OGL]Nylanfs> Sent
6:24 AM <[OGL]Nylanfs> We are still getting the "Can't load PCGen" java issue ocassionally
6:25 AM <[OGL]Nylanfs> Andrew and I need to find a couple of people to field customer support for when we have to sleep. :)
6:25 AM <[Chair]Andrew> Yeah, I'm getting a lot of people hitting the various channels off-hours for us.
6:25 AM <[OGL]Nylanfs> And finally 5e needs a export output sheet. Stealing one from 35e/pathfinder doesn't have the prof bonus in the calc's
6:26 AM <[Chair]Andrew> This is news to me...
6:26 AM <[OGL]Nylanfs> There are a couple of people working on importing the xml into another app
6:27 AM <[OGL]Nylanfs> Just heard about it wed from Lee that did the android app
6:27 AM <@Zaister> Do have anyone who actually plays 5e?
6:27 AM <@Zaister> +we
6:27 AM <[OGL]Nylanfs> I do, but only once a month
6:27 AM <[Chair]Andrew> Yeah, I play 5e
6:27 AM <@Zaister> but you know what needs to go on the sheet
6:27 AM <[Chair]Andrew> And the sheets I used had Prof bonuses
6:27 AM <@Zaister> I don't :)
6:29 AM <[Chair]Andrew> I'll double check the gamemode and make sure the one we release has the 5e folder used.
6:29 AM <[Chair]Andrew> Anything else Paul?
6:29 AM <[OGL]Nylanfs> Nope, any questions?
6:30 AM <[Chair]Andrew> None from me.
6:30 AM <Tom[Arch_SB]> none here either
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6:31 AM <[Chair]Andrew> Okay Tom, anything to report from the Java side of things for Code/Arch?
6:32 AM <Tom[Arch_SB]> Working on the issues you've found with the new formula system - some are pretty subtle and are taking some design work to make sure a fix actually works and doesn't just move the issue to another place
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6:33 AM <Tom[Arch_SB]> So unfortunately, no code in place on those, as some of it is finding ways I can't fix it :)
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6:34 AM <Tom[Arch_SB]> Really looking at getting those items fixed so the formula system will work in a stable way before I go documenting further (like the blog post mentioned on HipChat)
6:34 AM <Tom[Arch_SB]> or perhaps I should say advertising further
6:37 AM <Tom[Arch_SB]> Any questions?
6:37 AM <[Chair]Andrew> A couple:
6:37 AM <[Chair]Andrew> Do you have any ETA for potential fixes?
6:37 AM <Tom[Arch_SB]> no
6:38 AM <[Chair]Andrew> Will you be able to tackle any of the pending PRs? At last count we had at least 59 in the queue...
6:38 AM <Tom[Arch_SB]> yes, probably tomorrow. I have commitments for most of today
6:38 AM <[Chair]Andrew> Eitan/Grim Reaper has been very very busy.
6:40 AM <[Chair]Andrew> actually one more question -
6:41 AM <[Chair]Andrew> In light of our Code Teams' being busy through the holidays into this new year, should we consider allowing Stefan to merge code PRs that he feels comfortable with approving?
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6:44 AM <Tom[Arch_SB]> Let me think about how we widen the approval process ... obviously a balancing act between speed and not getting something that breaks other things
6:44 AM <Tom[Arch_SB]> I'll think and then put something across _dev for folks to ponder
6:44 AM <[Chair]Andrew> Cool.
6:45 AM <@Zaister> ok
6:45 AM <[Chair]Andrew> For the Admin report - a Big thanks to Jamie (Web) for addressing a spam issue.
6:46 AM <[Chair]Andrew> That wraps up team reports. Open Forum - Any new business, concerns, or questions to bring before the board?
6:48 AM <[Chair]Andrew> I'll start with a quick note - I had to personally alter the build process in order for 6.07.01 to be possible. Our multi-language build ran into issue with PERL as upgrading apparently lost some functionality. Using PERL no longer works - this impacted the Publisher List check we had.
6:49 AM <[Chair]Andrew> Which prompted me to make a WIKI page with All Game Systems, Publishers and their Released Sources
6:49 AM <[Chair]Andrew> Which I think is a reasonable alternative.
6:49 AM <@Zaister> I've had some problems running tests from gradle when I tried to track down a problem for Andrew, not sure if a local problem or something wrong with gradle
6:50 AM <Tom[Arch_SB]> The new version of gradle has been ... interesting
6:50 AM <[Chair]Andrew> The gradle upgrades have been breaking things, this was a known issue why we didn't upgrade in the first place.
6:50 AM <Tom[Arch_SB]> The formula library currently can't build
6:51 AM <Tom[Arch_SB]> the fix is in place, but last I checked still hadn't been included in a "production build"
6:51 AM <@Zaister> did we upgrade out gradle?
6:51 AM <Tom[Arch_SB]> (of gradle, not in our control)
6:51 AM <[Chair]Andrew> We have, and apparently there is another upgrade to 3.3 in the 59+ PR queue
6:51 AM <Tom[Arch_SB]> yes, one of the PRs at some point upgraded gradle
6:52 AM <@Zaister> ah
6:52 AM <[Chair]Andrew> We also have Javier's build enhancement that was supposed to address several issues.
6:52 AM <Tom[Arch_SB]> I spent a bunch of time getting javacc builds to work again in the formula library
6:52 AM <Tom[Arch_SB]> had to change the structure pretty significantly
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6:53 AM <[Chair]Andrew> ouch! That isn't good.
6:53 AM <@Zaister> Also theres an encoding problem with tests, it uses "Niederösterreich" somewhere in the name generator, and on a Mac this errors out
6:53 AM <Tom[Arch_SB]> hmm
6:53 AM <[Chair]Andrew> I know about that test, it is supposed to test fancier characters.
6:53 AM <[OGL]Nylanfs> Obvious solution, Burn all the Mac's :)
6:54 AM <@Zaister> :)
6:54 AM <Tom[Arch_SB]> That is also used through a lot of token tests, so if that's a problem, we will need to look further
6:54 AM <Tom[Arch_SB]> Can you do the utests cleanly?
6:54 AM <@Zaister> yes its the Token tests I think
6:54 AM <[Chair]Andrew> Also the SH file is broken each time I build on windows
6:54 AM <@Zaister> I'll try
6:55 AM <Tom[Arch_SB]> I think this needs to be documented somehwere on _dev or jira rather than just a conversation here
6:55 AM <[Chair]Andrew> (another reason I'm pushing for Javier's build)
6:55 AM <[Chair]Andrew> Unit tests or the SH issue?
6:55 AM <[OGL]Nylanfs> That's something that is annoying for linux users.
6:56 AM <@Zaister> Paul: what is annoying?
6:56 AM <[OGL]Nylanfs> the SH breaking every build
6:56 AM <[Chair]Andrew> I might spin up a linux ubuntu build to create a sh file, but that is a hassle. One of the reasons I'm trying to get the build process handled by the Jenkins method.
6:56 AM <@Zaister> hm I don't experience that
6:57 AM <[Chair]Andrew> LF vs CRLF I think is the problem.
6:57 AM <@Zaister> ah ... bilt on windows, got it
6:57 AM <@Zaister> built
6:58 AM <@Zaister> Tom: I can't run "itest", that gives lots of failures
6:58 AM <Tom[Arch_SB]> @Andrew: yes. If something is broken - for whatever reason - and it's not in JIRA, then it's hard to know or remember it needs to be fixed. I know people don't always like process, but documenting problems is one of those it's not good to skip
6:58 AM <[Chair]Andrew> The SH is a code bug, IIRC
6:59 AM <Tom[Arch_SB]> Do you get a specific message on the itest failures?
6:59 AM <Tom[Arch_SB]> (and I'm going to need to run here in a minute)
6:59 AM <[Chair]Andrew> It is in JIRA, under an admin tracker I think.
6:59 AM <@Zaister> yes, let me pastebin them
7:00 AM <[OGL]Nylanfs> The SH doesn't change from build to build right? Could one of the last release steps is to copy an old one that works into the zip file?
7:00 AM <[Chair]Andrew> Possible, but I think the main issue is by having it on Windows we mess it up.
7:01 AM <@Zaister> Tom: I'll put it on JIRA then, there a huge log
7:01 AM <Tom[Arch_SB]> ok
7:01 AM <Tom[Arch_SB]> thanks
7:01 AM <Tom[Arch_SB]> I need to duck out anyway
7:01 AM <Tom[Arch_SB]> Have a good day, all
7:01 AM <[Chair]Andrew> Sounds like a good time to end the meeting. Thanks for coming everyone!

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